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Non-Chore CR Meme

TL;DR Character Relationship Meme
(A Cheat Sheet for CR Charts)

♥ Step one: post with your characters.
♠ Step two: respond to other people's characters with your characters.
♦ Step three: they tell you in detail what their character thinks of your character. TL;DR is encouraged; that's how this works.
♣ Optional step four: discuss it with them if you want! Make a big chain of tl;dr if you're up to it.
♥ Step five: other people do the same thing to you! Maybe you even harvest your tl;dr to use in a CR chart later.
♠ Step six: keep checking back in so that no one is ever late!

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sweet innocent mabel

So! First I will start with Ciel's impressions before they ever met, because they're actually pretty important too and I just didn't get a chance to tag and play it out before Mabel got converted, but. He was actually a little surprised to see a set of twins there, and as soon as he heard about what the game was really for, he was immediately most worried for the two of them because he was totally projecting a lot. Like, no matter what happened, it was really likely that one of them was going to die before the other, and that was deeply upsetting and personal for Ciel. As such, as soon as he heard about it, he was really dedicated to the idea that he would help out whichever one was left, because he does know exactly what it's like to lose someone that important to you, and it's not something he would want anyone else to go through alone.

Then for the actual conversion itself, looking back at this thread now, it should give a lot more context as to what Ciel was thinking at the time. He was really quite against it, because like he says or sort of implies, he'd really prefer that Mabel stay innocent, because Ciel perceives his murdering and general bad guy activities as being a choice, and he thinks that forcing someone into it is really loathsome. He would have objected to it a lot more if Ibuki hadn't had a really good point that at least at the time, Mabel was a really good strategic move to make sure that they would keep their numbers up. Little did they expect the bloodthirstiness of the guests, but. It was a logical choice in that sense, and Ciel really had to struggle a little bit with doing what it took to win versus doing what he felt was right, but it's obvious which side won out.

And he felt incredibly guilty about that, which is why he was so nice to her from the very start. For now obvious reasons, Ciel only really bonds with people around his age, and for people younger than him especially, he has a soft spot to begin with, but he felt very guilty about agreeing to let her join them. To him, even though the deaths aren't real, that was never the part that mattered—The process of killing them is real enough that how it effects the killer is functionally the same. And while he was really, really opposed to killing Dipper at all just because of how he knew that would hurt Mabel... He also understood the reasoning of why she felt she had to do it, since if it had been him and his brother, it would have been the same.

As such, he had planned to walk her back and talk to her as soon as they decided on Dipper, but then Mabel was (unsurprisingly) really upset. And in fact, Ciel was pretty upset by it too, since he had killed someone's twin brother, which is uh. A big trigger issue for him. But he pushed all of that aside, and instead decided to focus on helping Mabel. He not only revealed something that is very much something he considers a secret but also something deeply personal and painful to him. He used his own experience to help Mabel, which just isn't something that comes naturally to Ciel at all.

So, as you would imagine, Ciel got very, very attached to Mabel, and very quickly. He couldn't accept the idea because it felt disrespectful, but at the same time, he totally agreed with the idea of being her pseudotwin at heart. It's not something he would probably realize himself, but there was definitely the sense with him that if he managed to protect and shield Mabel, even at the cost of his own life, then maybe it would help repent or make up for his own brother's death. After all, even though his brother's death was definitely not Ciel's fault in the slightest, he has a huge amount of survivor's guilt and also feels that he took advantage of his brother's passing, since it's implied that his brother's soul was used to summon Sebastian. So while he did want to protect Mabel in a very genuine way, it was also something that he was trying to do as if to make right with his own past and issues.

And things were good for a while! Mabel was definitely Ciel's favorite VIP and he always took extra effort to be nice to her and make sure she was happy, and also to turn down his Ciel...ness... in general. It seemed like they were going to win, so he was pretty content to relax and do something that he just didn't get to do around her which was to act his age. He was genuinely very relaxed around her and open, for the most part, even when he got flustered about like everything because he's a big dumb nerd...

However, since it wasn't meant to last and they were suddenly down to Patchouli, Mabel, and Ciel in one day, he very drastically stopped that and shifted his strategy as soon as Royce showed up exploded, pretty much. Because he knew about Peko narrowing in on Tamaki, he knew they would be down to three that day regardless, so Ciel knew that they weren't going to win. Since his goal wasn't actually that important to him, considering he had Sebastian for that reason, he shifted his priorities to protect Mabel instead. After all, he absolutely did not want her to be the last one standing with no one to defend her, because he didn't think she deserved that at all. He was doing everything he could to make sure that he was going to be the last one, and in his mind, that meant the person to receive the brunt of the wrath of the guests. Which my god, he was not wrong about that after all, BUT STILL.

It was pretty clear that Patchouli was going to get executed the next day, so Ciel was really panicking when Nanami and Oz approached, since his plan had been to throw Mabel under the bus, seemingly, to save her, but he knew that wouldn't work now, since they would probably hesitate to execute Mabel knowing her partner was innocent over Ciel the single. He was ready to be absolutely nasty and vicious to make sure that Mabel went first, but he didn't need to, as it turned out? Oz had a plan that was peaceful and wasn't a terrible one, and Ciel agreed, since it was the best way to keep Mabel safe!

bUT THEN CROCS...

So Ciel would have had a hard time agreeing to that bullshit anyways, but the contingent that really got him to agree to do it at all was the idea that Mabel wouldn't have to help. In his mind, it was always something that he had to handle alone just because he didn't want Mabel to be ruined by violence like he was. He really, genuinely wants Mabel to walk away from this as safe and happy as possible, so in exchange, to him, he'll take on all of it because he's beyond saving/not worth the consideration anyways. What he said to Crocs illustrates his mindset here best, that it was just a drop in the bucket for him, because he's definitely not exaggerating. He's already killed quite a lot of people, so one more wouldn't have mattered as much to him as it would have to Mabel, who had only killed Dipper. He was wrong, naturally, since it ended up being a hugely traumatic way for Ciel to kill someone, but. He still doesn't regret not letting Mabel participate at all.

So come endgame, even if he had to relive pretty much every trauma in his life and get pretty brutally beaten, if there's one thing Ciel is proud of, it's that he managed to keep Mabel as safe as he could. When the Sudden Death round happened, he was so, so worried that all of his efforts would be for nothing, which is why he went in quite literally guns a'blazin', since still, if he could spare Mabel of as much bloodshed as possible, then it would be fine. And it's a very bittersweet sort of victory, because while he's happy for Mabel to be reuinted with Dipper, he's also deeply sad and envious that she got to reunite, because, well, he can't. And now Mabel is going to leave forever, so he'll be alone again. It's obviously not as traumatic as how he lost his first twin, but he's still going to be much more deeply upset to be leaving the people he got close to in murderpark, much less Mabel.

Yet still, despite all of those bad feelings that come with parting, he really, really hopes that she has a good, long life. It's something that he can never have, so at the very least, he wants his struggling in murderpark to have meant something for Mabel and given her a chance to live like he never got to.

GOD YOU KNOW I WAS SO SURE CLASH WAS A VIP FROM LIKE DAY TWO I WAS LIKE MAN I BET ITS CLASH SHE SEEMS SUSPICIOUS but in the end.. it was not.....

Anyway though Dipper actually.. doesn't have a WHOLE lot of opinion on Clash bc they didn't talk enough 8( but he does recognize her as one of Mabel's dearest friends so he at least thinks she's pretty rad for that... also he feels really bad for her specifically bc she didn't even remember being the bomber at all like ouch that must've.. been hard to deal with..... poor Clash..............

Sorry friend, you were close but no cigar.

I wish they did talk more!! But Clash is weird when it comes to guys that aren't her dad, so she's even more cautious/judgmental of them lmao. She likes Dipper as an extension of Mabel though!! She thinks twins who get along are so cool and she was more than happy to take up protection duty for as long as she could. :')

She likes Kenny! She tends to like people even if she acts like a jerk to everyone all the time, but Kenny is entertaining and that counts for a lot.

The first day she released her newspaper she honestly wasn't offended by everyone criticizing it because that is canon. She admits it herself. So nbd. She was definitely taken aback by the Princess Kenny persona but wow, such a juicy story, she couldn't resist. She has like. Almost no limits when it comes to being a horrible person so she can even roll with the 10 year old AV idol thing tho she figures he's not being serious. Kenny dying was sad not only because it means -1 story and photoshoot subject and -1 medic team but also she did genuinely like him and his awful sense of humor.

oh also forgot to mention the similarly immortal human in her canon is Mokou who might as well be the closest thing to a crossdresser because she is the only touhou to wear pants.

but Mokou threatened to cook Aya into kebabs so she likes Kenny better.

YEESS a postgame psl should be a thing. and ha ha wow I didn't imagine Mahiru might miss her enough to be a little butthurt about Maya dying a delinked partner death, I will definitely have to check that out in the graveyard!!

btw what's with the severe internalized homophobia though? just curious.

Royce is automatically cool because he likes her papers. In canon NOBODY... LIKES HER PAPERS so coming here and having people criticize them is to be expected but totally unexpected was the fact that omg, some people actually read them on a regular basis instead of feeding them to fires or wiping mud off their boots and everything. ahh!!

So she'd inclined to like him, and she's also very curious about him and where he came from, as she's naturally curious about everything new and story-worthy. When she started writing her paper here she totally recognized that it might've been more useful as a tool to the VIP than anything else and was kinda also banking on that so that they wouldn't kill her. Which kinda worked? She'd actually wanted to remain as neutral as possible to both village and VIP even tho she's the former, but things like timing and the Levi stuff ruffled her because she didn't want to have as much involvement as she did.

Also Royce was never cleared so leaving the last issue to him if she died could be iffy, but she figured that less and less important information would be in the paper over time as more trustworthy innos became apparent. Also she thought that if she died she wouldn't really care if village or VIP won anyway because. SHE'D BE DEAD. Royce dying was pretty disappointing because he just... got blown up... with no reaction at all. And she missed him because he was entertaining and she was curious about him and yeah, she did like him, he was fun to be around B')

She was also pretty impressed that he was able to play the VIP part in full knowledge, that's pretty boss, she wouldn't have pinned him for the type.

PHOTOBUDDY.

YEAH SO. First impressions of Mahiru wasn't a big deal because--and this applies to basically everyone in her worldview--she likes people, but she tends to like people more as story material than as themselves. For the most part, she's very detached to people even as she takes a huge interest in them for writing her paper. Mahiru stood out a little because !! fellow photographer!! but other than that she didn't really make much of an impact.

Mahiru offering to help her with Bunbunmaru, however... Bunbunmaru is like. Aya's entire life. She'd probably rather die than not write her newspaper. First reception to her issue wasn't too surprising because it's canon that everyone hates her paper, but slightly surprising was the fact that some people actually seemed to like it, and very surprising was the fact that Mahiru wanted to be an aide. I'm like 99% certain Bunbunmaru is an entirely solo work--Aya gathers data, writes it, sends it to the printing tengu, distributes it to entirely unwilling subjects all by herself. She didn't make a big deal of accepting Mahiru as a copywriter because Aya is pretty impulsive and thoughtless and tends to be an actor rather than a thinker, but yeah, Mahiru helping her with her paper definitely added like +3289 points to their social link. The Bunbunmaru is like... the entire point of Aya's existence. SHE IS THE NEWSPAPER TOUHOU. So having someone else work with her on it--while it was happening, she didn't think much of it because she figured she could just kick Mahiru out if she wanted to mess with Aya's precious paper too much, but that didn't happen and this was basically huge and she didn't even know it.

Aya tends to be extremely selfish and though she was curious about Mahiru and her world, she... didn't really put much effort into getting to know her as a person. On Mahiru's side she thought of their relationship as pretty healthy?? Aya basically like. Put almost 0 thought into their relationship at all, even as Mahiru served as an aide. She definitely took Mahiru for granted and just mooched off of her for food and help without thinking about it. Part of this was probably because Mahiru died early so they couldn't get to know each other at all in 2-3 days but yeah, Mahiru dying was really a shock and made her realize about the taking her for granted thing and... yeah, she was bitter about this, this was probably the one death in the entire game that really got to her and it kinda bothered her because she's above being attached to humans. Humans die!! That's barely story material. She got surprisingly attached to people in game just due to the circumstances--this is a grade a Incident, for instance, whereas outsiders being eaten by youkai in gensokyo is just Daily Life.

It was slightly annoying to her how uncharacteristically sentimental she got about Mahiru's death, but Mahiru tends to be the Sentiment to Aya's... well, she's not a pragmatist at all, but just look at their photography styles. Smiles vs Scandals. Terrible. She may or may not have used photography for sentimental purposes like hundreds of years ago, but she doesn't bother with them for making memories even if she's extremely long-lived because like a bird, Aya can be rather short-sighted and flighty and just hops from novelty to novelty without thinking too much about it. In canon she even forgets about a flower incident that happens every 60 years even though she'd definitely have been around 60 years ago when it occurred. Mahiru made a huge impact on how she viewed her photography--humans die and she's basically never bothered by it, but she knew Mahiru for only 3 days and she was the only person to ever offer to help with her paper and she suddenly wished for the first time she had just a few more memories and smiles to capture thanks to her.

OKAY DISCLAIMER I'M ABOUT NINETY FIVE PERCENT SURE THERE'S NO ACTUAL GRAVEYARD COMMENT DIRECTLY REACTING TO MAYASPLOSION... beyond how little reaction to that there was, Mahiru had so many damn feelings that didn't even make it into tags. That shit is so on lock

Anyway technically internalized homophobia is my interpretation given that Danganronpa doesn't have a whole lot of open discussion about LGBT issues WHICH PROBABLY SAYS A LOT IN ITSELF TBQH... but she does have a very strong opinion that there are womanly spheres and manly spheres for example. In fanon this is misandrist but in canon it's more like she knows boys are supposed to be stronger and is angry that in practice they're just lazier. Those attitudes tend to be linked to heteronormativity... early up in my Kyoya comment you can see my interpretation of the route where she ends up in a dating relationship with the protagonist, I.e. she figures being close to a boy means that they should date.

On the other hand, there's Hiyoko. I said this weird part about Mahiru having modern anxieties and this includes an idea that nudity in general should be 100% private, while Hiyoko feels that in same-sex settings nudity is okay. Hence soapies. And then there is Sato, this girl Mahiru knew in high school... I could actually write a whole separate essay comparing Aya to Sato because they have a somewhat similar warped carefree attitude that Mahiru agrees with coming from a more affable place of neutrality. There's only one flashback but Sato's like "hi Mahiru-chan sup sup you here to confess your undying love to me?" Which would make the most sense if Mahiru did love Sato, I mean that's not why Mahiru was there though because this is Danganronpa so she actually had to talk to Sato about a murder which took priority. Furthermore Mikan and Ibuki were the other two girls who were Mahiru's personal friends; Mikan is actually in a relationship with a woman I AM SAD MAHIRU WAS NOT ALIVE FOR THE REACTION... and you've seen Clash/Ibuki in action so you know how gay Ibuki is.

So when you put all of this stuff together it makes the most sense for Mahiru to be a huge gay, and yet the only time she really overtly expresses the idea of dating is with the dude protag. Combined by her aforementioned gender-conscious aspects, I think she thinks she *should* only date boys, whereas the desire to date girls is self-indulgent and wrong. (this feeling persists regardless of the alternate interpretation where she has actual bi feelings for the protag) Even in the context of being alone with girls as the most meaningful experiences in her life, that's sort of justified to herself as how only girls can be friends to each other, but guys and girls can't just be friends.

BASICALLY my point is that if someone pointed out she was kinda yuri for Aya, Mahiru would deny it a lot, and at this point in time she would not feel comfortable asking for a date herself (she might say it's a date in a joking way) and that sort of "girl with girlfriend?? What no"thought process is on top of the eight days now go back to Gensokyo situation.

OH oh I see that's pretty representative of lgbt lyfe in modern Japan or society as a whole so... yeah, that's kinda legit. I've just never gotten around to reading dangan ronpa even if it does have cute gays because it's so huge but then again touhou is huger, whoops.

yeah the thing with Gensokyo is there are like. 3 named male characters in it, ever, and one is a cloud and one is a turtle and the last and only humanoid one is a shopkeeper. a shopkeeper surrounded by witches and shrine maidens and monstergirls who fight each other. so though obviously there must be other males in society most everyone who is anyone is a girl so being yuri probably isn't a big deal especially if you're a youkai and not human in the first place.

ah but I'll link you to a dojin that's really reminiscent of the mahiru+aya relationship and dude i'll even set up a psl starter sometime !!

see and that face is why he went to go live with dipper and mabel in a happy au instead... clearly...

MURDERSON............she actually liked ciel haha :Ta which doesn't seem like much but considering Patchouli is an eternal grouch it's an accomplishment. I mean, it's probably because of similar low-key temperaments (see: Royce) but all the same....!!

I wouldn't say she's bad around kids per se but she definitely found his maturity and levelheadedness refreshing for a change of pace dfkfjgh. Especially since like 13 year old kid = more mature than a pair of five-hundred year old girls that look around 13 gdi remi and flan. ESPECIALLY WITH THE WHOLE TAMAKI THING AND TAKING ON THE MURDERS HIMSELF, LIKE woah son. what did you go through back home how are you totally cool with brutal "murders" and strategically throwing the weaker link under the bus to buy them another day. LIKE SORRY TAMAKI SHE DOES FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT but at the same time, they were totally going to lynch her that day unless a stronger target came up and. Ah yes there it was.

Strangely she found herself actually becoming concerned for his well-being around the time she got executed, what with his brainwashing going up to 200% like jfc child. How did you possibly learn such dark magic, did you summon a demon, how did you get that brand on your back what sort of crap did you have to go through? THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY BOILED DOWN TO IN THE END. Like with the rest of murderfamily, she's super clannish and so tends to focus on her family...........in this case since the SDM crew wasn't here she just subconsciously substituted them as a less intense version.

tl;dr murderson has librarian seal of approval, would lend fragile books to 9/10

MURDERDAUGHTER............ so to reiterate what I said with Ciel down there, Patchouli's usually super clannish and fixated on her family back home so what with them not being here she subconsciously substituted murderfamily in her mind and thus those pesky social walls she usually puts up were bypassed more easily 8|b

More relevant with Mabel is how she is with kids, like. Man her best friend is the most immature person she's ever met and ME ME ME WHINY BRAT WITH NO CONCERN FOR OTHERS yet the two of them get along so easily. Upon first meeting she was honestly expecting Mabel to be the same, but like with Ciel, was pleasantly surprised to see her act...so much more mature than Remilia....go team. Like thank u for understanding and respecting her medical boundaries with the glitter and hugging..........Even though she has the sort of INTENSE PERKINESS in people Patchy usually dislikes, it was almost endearing in this kind of setting. Small optimistic child in a bloody environment oh no 8(

and she is totally keeping the badge when she gets home. it'll get tucked in her desk but it's never getting thrown out >8T

GO FOR IT

bwaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh MAHIRU........................

mokou would be totally cool in kenny's book...... lbr............

ALSO KENNY IS 100% SERIOUS ABOUT TEN YEAR OLD AV IDOL BUT U KNOW...

yooo

okayyyy

God, sorry, I always write too much. Okay, even he doesn't know how he feels about Tamaki right now. I guess the main thing is he actually isn't really that angry with him. He's just not very good at feelings, so any feeling that doesn't become passive aggression tends to become anger.

So during the kill log he was angry. Shocked, and betrayed, and scared, but more furious than anything because if someone is going to kill him, that's how he's going to feel about it. Even then he knew Tamaki was being controlled, but he was still pissed. If those had truly been his last moments on earth he would have spent them purposely causing emotional damage to his brainwashed best friend, so there you go.

But then in the graveyard it was really something different than that. The whole thing, and all the circumstances around it, was such a huge hit to his pride. He felt really stupid about a lot of the choices he made in the game. I mean. He was the only person in Host Club who wasn't lying to the group. Not that he would have told them if he had a role or a buddy, but that's just because that's not how he rolls. And then he got killed by Tamaki, which is really embarrassing. So that feels shitty!

But okay, besides that douchebag reason, legitimately bad feelings about what happened. A lot of his pride comes from feeling better than people, and part of that for him is not allowing other people to affect him or know his motives (feelings, others might say). But Tamaki is allowed that much because he just kind of barged his way into friendship, and he is mostly alone in that category (other Host Club gets that to some degree but he is still more concerned with appearances with them). So feeling like he was betrayed by that was a really awful feeling. Even if when he woke up he knew that wasn't what really happened, it's still not a feeling he could shake. It's a pretty pathetic feeling because he likes to think he wouldn't forgive something like this, but he couldn't actually go through with ending his friendship with Tamaki, the crazy friendship ride is too important to him, so it just makes him feel even more furious because he's stuck with this person. And he's just not exactly self-aware enough to get that he's just kind of like...upset, because that isn't the emotion he would expect himself to have.

On top of that he has the really conflicted feeling where he also feels really bad for Tamaki and was worried about him a lot. He wants him to stop acting so sad and pathetic. But then he also partially wants Tamaki to not be sad about it and instead be a jerk about it so he can hate him unreservedly. It's unpleasant to have to feel sorry for someone you're mad at and it would be great if he didn't have to care about Tamaki's feelings at all and could just be mean. But no, he cares. He in fact kind of feels guilty and like a shitty person for being so unable to get over it when it seems like everyone else forgave their VIP friends very easily. And feeling bad about being a shitty person is a new and strange feeling for him.

So he's just in this weird place where he thinks he's very angry, and thinks it's irrational to be so angry, and doesn't get that he's not even angry, he just needs to admit to himself he has feelings. I mean, whatever he says, he is pissed at the not listening, and the martyr complex, and especially the asking him for forgiveness in advance thing. Tamaki always does selfish things, and Kyouya expects that, but also expects that he won't do selfish things when it's actually important. He's in fact usually very selfless and perceptive and dependable when it comes to important things. So ignoring the fact that he actually called their friendship into question shocked him. He feels pretty confident that without brainwashing Tamaki would never not listen if he took it that far, and basically knows Tamaki is actually a really great friend. But he also just kind of unreasonably feels that if he's going to be friends with Tamaki, Tamaki had better be better than brainwashing.

But yeah as far as things being fixed, like. He can't even manage that kind of conversation when there isn't murder involved. He doesn't really talk about feelings that aren't about power or killing someone, so it is just a completely inadequate description of what's going on and a lot of conflicting bullshit. He'd get mad no matter how Tamaki acted - he hated the crying Tamaki, hates the serious Tamaki, and would hate a frivolous Tamaki. But he does want to patch things up a lot, he just doesn't know how because he doesn't know what he wants to hear. He tried just trying to act like he was over it, but he kept ending up being mean anyway. So now he's like, maybe I'm too pissed off and can't get over it, and that's really not what he wants. Their friendship is extremely important to him and the idea of going back to his life before is pretty unthinkable, he would rather just hatefully be best friends forever than that.

So. How to explain feelings. He will gladly go track down your mom or something and then never mention it again, that's the way. But, no, he probably just needs to vent and it helps that Tamaki isn't crying and is being serious so maybe it will be ok.

pls

OH SO MANY MURDERCHILDREN surprisingly she liked you all, at the end of things. Unlike the more in-your-face members of murderfam she liked Edea from the start and had no issues with her :T She reminded Patchy of a way less snooty version of Alice, so that was like "PERSON I ALREADY LIKE MINUS ONE OF THEIR QUALITIES THAT I HATE OH BOY SIGN ME UP"

She was super bummed Edea was the first to go and actually wished they chatted more, haha. Considering at the end of things SHE KNOWS MAGIC TOO it's like. Regret.......no stay and talk about magic.....let's duel......fun magic fight.......

hi murderson

>only touhou to wear pants

excuse you

borrowing your icon muri doot doot

so about that gruesome death..........

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